Wonderland or Not

I stopped being Catholic when I understood what it really meant. I was little older than you. I’m slow.

Your metaphoric transitioning from masturbation into a story about the pope was excellent.

Lunch break turned afternoon delight.

Speaking of afternoon delight, your play list is full of some old stuff I have not listened to in a long time and some things I had never heard. I’m willing to check it out more often.

“Badfinger” got to me. ;)

I always feel like I have to qualify something, coming from a family of priests and all.

I agree on the hypocrisy but who knows what it is each individual needs to get through the day.

Brazil is not a prime example because they are notorious in the ways of sexual behavior as compared to Portugal or even Italy.

People want to do what they want and still believe in something.
They don’t want to die because of it either but only a certain type of death concerns the Catholic Church.

I’m not Catholic but all my friends are lapsed ones, if that counts, and I’m half-Catholic by birth

If I had believed in God I would have stopped in high school–all those summers in Mexico. I believe the Iglesia de Santo Domingo in Oaxaca took 400 years to build completely and many many “slaves” were killed

every church in every mountain village would have boxes where the poorest of the poor would put in too much of their earnings.

It felt very hypocritical then and still does

I have multiple Gmail accounts I Google myself, does that make me younger than I thought?

I like the term ego search. Mine tend to be sort of boring; maybe I should do more things that cause people to have opinions about me.

The pope would tell you that the people dying in Brazil are not victims of inflexible religious or legal doctrine but rather that it’s because you Google yourself at night (oh by the way do you know that the people at Google dislike the use of Google as a transitive verb? odd).

Going to a Catholic high school was what turned me off to Catholicism immediately, as fantastic as those Jesuits are as educators. What faith I had jumped the shark when my freshman theology teacher taught us about papal infallibility.

I know you often post metaphorically, there is even a online post someone wrote about you some time ago which says so. I don’t always get the metaphors, at least not picking up on them until I read the comments of others. This is why I usually wait until there are a few comments ahead of me.

This is one time I absolutely and without a doubt knew what you were talking about. What does that say about me?

I come from a family with six children. Think we’re Catholic?

I haven’t gone to church in at least three years but prior to college I still went to church despite not falling for any of the doctrine. I don’t know why.

I wonder if the visit of The Pope changed the mind of the president of Brazil? From what I read he was in favor of letting the women make the choice. That was previous to the Pope’s arrival.

jacob: ha, ha, “metaphoric transitioning” a term usually reserved for the wombat…..I am impressed.
i always thought afternoon delight was something else but now that you mention it…

If you want it and all that jazz.

johnm: You never qualify anything you just want to write a long comment. You know it just always puzzled me. I mean for people who have a brain it seems a little…..primitive.

Pia: I’m not sure at what age one has to stop Googling oneself.
Is there a book that tells us that?

EW: I wasn’t really taking about googling but what I was talking about should certainly get people talking if you wrote about it.

So much for Catholic high schools.

Casey: So in other words you cheat??

You are right, from what I read prior to the visit he was all for it. I’m going to follow this.

a lot of people will subscribe to anything that makes them feel better at night. i realized my incompatibility with my religion late in college, and it’s still a wonder how i ever went through all those years living a lie, basically.

i’ve missed you, missed you, missed you! life has been mean to me (work sucks) but i bitch-slapped it back. :)

The girl against pornography, but for abortion and backing up birth control, against Duke Lacrosse players but for “self googling”?

How can that be?

illyria: I am glad you bitch-slapped it back the world needs a good bitch slap every so often. I will come tomorrow and wallow in your wonders and if I keep googling myself I may cum as well. Who knows.

I’m painted out and must go to bed.

Hugs to the best bitch slapper this side of Norway.

Randy: Eat your heart out, I’m a little tired of being nice to you. In keeping with my rule always to be civil I thank you for stopping by.

I am still going to use you as a prime example in my future pornography post, so feel free to stop back.

The thing about virginity…I believe it should be saved for the one you marry. Problem is, nobody gets married when they’re 15 anymore. Yes, that was when I googled with a girl for the first time.

The human male is quite literally a f#cking animal in his late teens.

Why should it be saved til marriage? Because if you TRULY love your first-you never-ever get over them. I had dreams about her for at least a decade after we parted ways where I was standing at her doorstep apologizing for my immaturity during our relationship. (If you didn’t love your first-that is too bad too because you missed out on a wonderful emotional high-my opinion).

The second to last time I ever talked (it was 14 years since we’d first met) to her she told me she was getting married (I was dating the girl who’d become my wife too at the time) and she said, “Funny thing, Dan, I always thought we’d get married.”

Its sad really. I’m always jealous of married couples who were high school sweethearts. They figured out life long before I ever did.

Suffice it to say that Catholicism is shit. My stepfather brought it to my family, I was lulled by all those people in black garb hiding behind screens who listened to my secrets, and then the stupid jerk subjected me to his disgusting interloping fingers — uninvited. So, catholicism to me represents pervertedness. Who cares about the guy in the white suit that isn’t as charming as the last? And when are people going to get over men who run governments that tell women what to do with their bodies? The whole thing makes me tired. I’d rather laugh at meaningless things.

Knew you weren’t, but honestly I’m sick of Catholicism. I’m sick of talking about it, hearing about it, and sharing a planet with it. I’m sick of people I love spouting its bullshit and rebuking me if I call them on it. I’m sick of honest critiques about the things about it that are fucked up being labeled as bigotry. And the hell I’m sick of that old man and his big hat.

Randy, why don’t you create a chart comprised of all the opinions one could hold, with lines and arrows connecting the ones that are acceptable to hold in conjunction with one another, and post it on the internet, declaring that those who violate your thought map are wrong. And you can watch as everyone who stops by to read it tells you to eat shit and die.

Well that has been the most intellectually stimulating group of comments I have read about something that really makes me crazy in a long time. What I find fascinating is nobody said anything about the Catholic Church’s sanctity of pedophilia in America. Priests are sacrosanct. Who cares if they rape little boys? And why should the Pope hold them accountable? At then end of the day its about money and power isn’t it?

So go back in history. What organization has caused more heinous crimes over the last 2000 years?

I’ve taught my children our relationship is with God. All organized religion is man made and has caused war and hate on earth. I have to tell you I was raised Catholic and the way the last Pope ignored the whole pedophilia issue, I have had the most difficult time even stepping into a church. It is hypocrisy at its best!

By the way, my oldest went to a Jesuit high school, he’s a Columbia now. My middle son is still at the Jesuit high school. The fact of the matter is its the best freaking high school in the area. It was my oldest son’s dream to go there. It’s an all boy’s school…run by the Jesuits. The beautiful thing about the Jesuits is their mantra…”men for others”. My oldest two boys went to a parochial school.

Though I do not subscribe to “organized religion” as others do. What I do subscribe to, was an environment that simply reinforced my values. When it became evident that those value were not consistent my son’s treatment in 7th and 8th grade, we pulled my middle son out of the parochial school and put him into public school. That was by his request. Just in case Randy checks me out.

Self Googling to Catholicism. Nice transition from the masturbation metaphor to the pope. Like those above me have already commented upon.

I feel almost guilty when bringing up the sanctioning of all that little boy molestation by the powers that be in the Catholic church - by ignoring and hiding it…. for oh what was it…years?????

Only a Catholic would feel guilty for that.

If people could not see the hypocrisy before all that mess how they could not after is beyond me.

I believe in something. The only difference is that I practice what I preach.

Thank you again miss cooper.

Oh no doubts. The fact that abusive priests were systematically moved from diocese to diocese so long as the cases were never made public, and the widespread use of said practice, implicates the Vatican if not specifically the Pope who they are now so intent to put on the fast track to canonization.

And the one progressive thing that the new guy seemed to be involved in, the possibility of condoms being seen as acceptable to stop the spread of HIV? Nothing has been heard about that since it was announced that they were looking into it

Danny: The not getting married at fifteen anymore is a good thing don’t you think? And to be honest, I know I maybe should tell you this as you have a daughter is that the human female is not all that far behind. This is why I am all for a more healthy attitude about sex and complete explanation of the hazards, open discussion. That and teaching them to respect themselves and others will not prevent them from having sex but it will for the most part at least with girls - you have a daughter right - help ensure that when they do have sex they will be better prepared for it and leave that experience with no regrets and with self esteem still instant.

kellypea: That is a horrible story and horrible for you.
I couldn’t agree more though. I’m not a big proponent of men telling women to do anything.

EW: getting up early does not agree with you but as you are my great defender I can only say I hope you have much coffee.

The ” old man in the big hat”. I like that.

Ev Nucci: I have very smart readers which is why I’m still here. If I had to pass over “nice post” comments fifteen times a day I’d be long gone. I had to dig hard for them but….
I have done that argument before and that is a very frustrating part, I remember I was writing at a long defunct live/dead journal when I posted something about the Pope, he had just died and I made a derogatory statement about the archbishop from Boston who had been provocateur of the great cover-up off all the pedophilia and been granted censure at the Vatican…
It didn’t go over well because it seemed people just could see past it all. I think it is hard for people to face their wasted beliefs.

It also pains me to see people always assuming morality and religion are the same thing or you must have one to have the other. The most morally intact people I know are at best agnostic.

Randy is a slightly mad troll who came by a year ago to complain that I was treating some wild fraternity boys badly by calling them piggish and he shows up here whenever he has something to disagree with.

Joe: exactly mr joe and you’re welcome.

ew: I did read something about that issue being discusses in Brazil, probably along closed doors as the Pope was twisting the arm of the president of Brazil in order to convince him not to push for that freedom of choice legislation.

Good lord, where to start, where to start.

I am Catholic and damn proud to say so. Damned for being so, too.

I go to mass maybe twice a year. Half as often as I go to the fummie church with the rest of the clan.

I, like all Catholics am/are human. As are the rest of the stinking human masses on this planet. I am disaffected but refuse to turn protestant because they are just as disfunctional as us Catholics. Take Tammy Fae as an example.

I considered going Mormon, but I cannot find enough willing women to make a proper Mormon family.

I had an uncle who was a Jesuit for some 60 years. “Had” because he’s now dead. Had he met nasty dude Geoghan, he likely would have kicked that pedophilic googler in the nuts. Jackasses like Geoghan have placed nearly every person of the clothe into the unfair guilt-by-association dichotomy. How to speak out about the abuses and keep quiet at the same time must be one tough way to live.

I’ve started too many of these paragraphs with the word “I.” And I now have this wonderful vision of you self-googling. Please send the video ASAP.

meow.

Like many others, I was raised catholic. I was even an alter boy (no, nothing bad happened to me. Our priest was actually a good guy). But, as I grew older, I kept having more questions than answers.

It is amazing how many catholics engage in “Pope-Worship.” I have an aunt like that (she also thinks very highly of James Dobson). They believe in the idea of papal infallibility, and that the cardinals really have a name whispered in their ears when it comes time to elect the next Pope. She gets mad when I start talking about the politics of papal elections.

Apparently Randy is one of those folks who thinks if a person is of one particular opinion on one particular subject, they must share all the opinons of everyone who agrees on that initial opinion (wow, that is a really lengthy way of saying he’s a troll). If that were true, there would only be two people on earth, as all the rest would be carbon copies.

I was baptized in a Catholic church but my mother wouldn’t let me go to first reconciliation, she thought it ridiculous for second grader to be confessing. She was not Catholic and had been brought up in liberal New England Congregational United Church of Christ.

I was allowed to take first communion because our church did not make kids do the reconciliation first if the parents did not want them to, that has changed again they have to take it before communion now. I never got confirmed because I did not want to. I objected and my mother agreed.

I believe in a higher power.

Do the right thing.

Religion - war - politics - money - death - hate.

You have freed the world to self goggle. If you’re doing it everyone will want to. The world will never be the same.

You trend setter you.

I could never conform to any organized religion although I was brought up Catholic. My beliefs revolve around the tides and swells.

I wonder what I was like in bed before I had my gmail acct… thank God for google ;)

Googling yourself is just good birth control.

I actually read about half of the Pope’s speech. Well, maybe 1/3. It was long, but it wasn’t about abortion. He said what he said about that but mostly it was mosstly not about abortion.

saurkraut: I don’t know how to respond to that except “meow”.

I’m proudly ex- catholic. That is about all I can say on the subject.

I thought Tammy Fae was dead and that type of religion is it’s own ballgame.

coyote: A lot of ex catholics around. I seem to draw them to me like one of those sticky gross fly catcher things.

G: I always loved your mother, so sensible.
Trend setter I am, yay.

Leigh: I’m just glad I was born in the time of google. What people did before I will never know.

Doug: Not is was about getting back to the time , where no one fucks until the woman is happily tied to her jailer forever under the guise of decency and family values.
I find it all funny, men running the lives of women again and all that pageantry? Have we not gotten past it all?

I’m off to lunch with my mother. A mother who happened to surprise me last evening by showing up and telling me she was staying with me for the night instead of staying elsewhere as originally planned.
I mean I spent all night googling, and with my mother in the next room.
How shocking is that?

Seriously though there is nothing worse than having your mother behind you while you are doing your usual rounds of cyberspace.