Fool me once………..
Suicide girls is a porn site. Do not for a minute think pretending it is a cool site you read, because of the articles and pictures of what you think are cool powerful women, fools anyone.
Girls, if your geeky boyfriend is telling you he reads “Suicides Girls” for the content, dump him; he is jerking off to it as sure as he is jerking off to “Stuff” magazine, and he enjoys the power he feels over these not so powerful women when he does.
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Oprah totally endorsed Obama on Ellen today. I was home from class at ten-o-clock, I watched Ellen. Oprah also made some very clear points as to why she started that school in Africa although she did not apologize for dissing the kids here. I still think if she wants to do something really hard she needs to go into inner Baltimore, and make a school that works.
The Democrats are going to eat each other up, and spit each other out if they don’t watch it. I personally think anyone who stays with a man possessing such a faulty character is obviously willing to overlook a lot on the way to power, and I am not sure I want someone so willing to overlook such huge character flaws in office. I know the world is holding it’s collective breath waiting to see who I endorse.
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I went out around one this morning to have some sushi ( ok we get it cheaper even though it is made fresh if we go to this particular place after 12:30 ), have a couple drinks and hang out for an hour or two. I got a delightful lesson in seared rare tuna salmon — sake and sticky rice. So guess what’s for dinner this weekend?
Ha……… you are all very smart.
Spring has Sprung in Wonderland or Not
I showed that site to my wife who is, for all intents and purposes, a bit radically feminist so take it as you may, she agrees with you.
I’m am sick of the embarrassment that is politics in this country and I’m sick it’s all starting already. I hope the sushi is new, old sushi can make you sick.
Spring sprang here too.
I can tell by the sound of the wind it is heading out again.
You know Jacob, your wife is a very smart woman. This of course makes you a very smart man.
Since when do you watch morning television or television at all for that matter?
No big surprise Oprah has been rather transparent in her adoration of Obama since day one.
Can I interrupt your rant on Suicide Girls to disagree while agreeing.
Not to incur your wrath but I would not summarily dismiss the claims of individuals who insist they read “Suicide Girls” for the content; it is socially irresponsible of you to to tell girls to dump their boyfriends for committing such a minor infraction. Your rules do not apply to the general public, they are your rules.
I don’t claim to know anything in depth about the site; I have read it, I’ve never masturbated while doing so, or even soon thereafter from what I can remember. I’m sure it happens but stop lumping all men into one great big category of sexual deviants who want to do nothing more than control women; it just isn’t so and you know it. You know it or you wouldn’t have spent so much of your time around men. Some of your best friends are and probably always will be men and I sometimes think you are very unfair.
I agree it is a joke to think it in some way liberating TO women to be on this site as opposed to other soft porn sites. It’s not.
Take this with a grain of salt I couldn’t stop myself.
I like this look by the way.
To me, porn — all porn — replaces a real person with a cartoon. It takes what should be all about us and turns it into something that’s all about me. It turns the process of discovering who my partner is into the process of finding out what my partner is not, and castigating my partner for it. Which is almost certain to happen, because porn fantasies are almost always unattainable in real life.
Some of us are capable of making the fantasy/reality distinction. Many others are not. I do not have data for assessing what, at a societal level, the balance is between “critical” and “non-critical” users. But I suspect any such analysis would make a strong case against the continued existence, never mind promotion, of this so-called “entertainment” genre in our society.
It should be enough to think about the untold billions of dollars that are being poured into the porn industry, while our public school teachers struggle for supplies, facilities, and a living wage.
I will go so far as to say that, in an individual case, the crux is not “if” someone’s using a porn site, but “how” it is being used. If the girl has to find out about it in some way other than in dialogue with her fella, chances are poor that it’s being used in a good way.
There oughta be a law banning all campaigning for President until 100 days before the election. The scariest thing about the current mess is Clinton’s avowed strategy to overwhelm her Democratic competition financially and organizationally, so that her nomination is assured before the first caucuses and primaries are even held — before We the People have any chance to speak. This is exactly the strategy that Dubya used in the runup to 2000. None of us should be happy about this.
I’m not much into sushi, but that seared raw salmon sounds nice. Save some for me …?
No comment on the porn debate. The arguments are beyond my kenning.
I like Obama for the simple fact that he seems interested in healing the country.
My cousin has been making fruit spring rolls. Fresh fruit wrapped in rice paper with chocolate drizzled over it. I haven’ t tried one yet, but I will soon.
You’re being a bit harsh there, Cooper. 43% of SG members are women. Most of them hetero, I believe. And this was true before they had SuicideBoys there. And the idea that the impetus to jerking off to a photo is a desire to feel power lies completely outside my experience. The assumption that it’s true for any given guy is, from where I’m standing, more than a bit unfair.
The candidate I like best as a person at this point is Edwards, though at times I’m not sure if he’s fake or if he really is that cheerful. Hillary seems best poised to take the nomination, but Obama is the one with the best shot to win the election IMHO. I just wish he’d recant what he said about religion being a vital part of politics.
I’ll have to give the seared salmon a try
Sushi sounds good right now. I say what’s the point of living in L.A., which is one of the meccas of sushi eating, if I don’t eat it at least once a week?
It’s pointless, I say.
I had a look at the suicidegirls site. Lots of pictures. I didn’t notice any content that could actually be read. I probably won’t find out any more because it costs 4 dollars a month to join, and I’m cheap.
First, it’s not bad for a man to fantasize about feeling power over a woman. It is quite possible to be dominant and respectful. It is the abuse of power against someone’s will that is bad.
Secondly, men don’t strictly fantasize about being in the power position during sex. We fantasize a lot about being dominated. Almost all of my sex has power changing hands throughout the experience. Playfully tossing the power to each other makes great sex.
Finally, it’s not fair to say the women that pose for Suicide Girls are not powerful. It takes a great deal of confidence for any person to pose nude. The women of Suicide Girls are quite proud of the fact that they are challenging the beauty definition of magazines like Playboy. SG models are not just tattooed and pierced, but they also have “real” body types. Some are larger girls, some have small to flat chests, and they tend to have less traditional model features. I’ve heard and read many women thank the SG models for giving them more confidence about their appearance.
That being said, a man should not be dishonest about visiting the site, but that’s because no one should be dishonest in a relationship. If a woman expresses that she is not comfortable with her man viewing nude images of other women, then that couple needs to decide if it is a deal breaker.
indie: actually most of the written content is behind the subscription block. Though the Interviews section is all available free
Brave of you coop, knowing that the majority of your readers, or at least sixty-percent of them are male, (an estimate based on my reading), and knowing that males are not going to see it that way.
I agree if the women there think the place makes them powerful they are wrong, it is soft porn but I am not against soft porn nor am I against fantasy. It’s true the women are not in control of it and it’s the control thing that bothers you.
I know how you feel about the power thing. I am against either a man or women feeling any sense of power over another except in the case of shared fantasy. In the case of sex it is my experience that the women usually have the power and the woman usually knows she has the power. Don’t even pretend you don’t know it’s true because although you have always been true to your ideals you have always been well aware of the power you have over a man when you walk into the room; that you never choose to use that power has always been entirely your decision and I have always respected you for it, I do not respect any less a woman who makes another choice, not should you be judging the women or the men who choose to view soft porn or who choose to participate in such.
Your right, I think that women don’t control the site or own it and that is what bothers you most I. I think they had to shake that around some because of some bad publicity awhile back.
I understand what you are saying but I don’t agree with you completely, in some sense I agree it is a place where a false sense of power has easily allowed women to flock to it, more so than any place like it, does make it a deception.
A knowing deception.
On the other hand, I feel the lines you draw are too straight; they have always been too straight.
I could go further here, an in depth psychological analysis but I won’t.
At this point I’m Obama bound. There is a very long way to go, too long and anything can happen.
love g
I had sushi for breakfast
I’m not a Hillary person basically because she forgot to be Senator for downstate NY in her quest to be accepted by upstate and thus all people like them. That was okay through 9/10/01
What happened between Hillary and Bill was a very private thing made very public by Ken Starr and Lucianne Goldberg.
The sad truth is that we don’t know how many people cheat nor should we really.
Newt’s sweeping the House, then the Impeachment were the two very public events that began this nation’s outward swirl downward
While I agree with you in principle, in reality I can’t because sex is the least important thing I’m looking for or thinking about in a president
My mother used to say that the only president who hadn’t cheated was Truman.
The presidency is very powerful office and many women are attracted to power and many men, including presidents, do things that they might not otherwise
Lordy, how can I keep up with this? It’s obvious which way this wind is blowing.
So glad you all agree with me.
These were merely passing musings I had while scrolling around reading emails or things people had sent me I guess I didn’t realize there was much of a debate over this.
John: I sometimes watch it. You welcome to interrupt any rant you like but it’s hardly socially irresponsible, it is also personally dictated. Of course they are my rules and that is why they are on my blog.
“I agree it is a joke to think it in some way liberating TO women to be on this site as opposed to other soft porn sites. It’s not.”
My point exactly, obviously I didn’t get that across as well as I would have liked as it was a mere thought that passed through my head after reading someone defend their reasons for membership in said site.
OC: You know I like the way you think and always have
For the short time you have been around.
I agree also as you know that this election stuff starts way too early and it way to dependant on an often irresponsible media and or the public thinking pundits are actually reporters.
Coyote: For some reason the chocolate thing does not appeal to me. It’s hard to eat real sushi in the mid west because it’s freshness that counts.
EW: I’m not even going to fire you for joining the bandwagon wombeditor. I’m often unfair or at least that seems to be the general consensus among those who do not agree with my opinion. I really have not seen one point made which would indicate to me that I am wrong about the site though and the fact that women are members, to me, is the greatest joke of all….on women.
Re: Obama — religion .…
The context of which he said that is up for debate because for those who are religious, and you know I am not religious nor am I Christian, but for those who are religious it is a vital part of their politics. I don’t remember him mandating it.
MoJo: Those of us on the coasts are indeed more fortunate in that regard I say.
Inde: And you just need to stay cheap.
Justin: It probably harder to address you because the rest of these people have been here at read this site for sometime and I know them a little better so can offend them in some ways by disagreeing with them.
“First, it’s not bad for a man to fantasize about feeling power over a woman. It is quite possible to be dominant and respectful. It is the abuse of power against someones will that is bad.”
To me it is bad, but that really wasn’t my point when addressing this it was the whole pretense of the site which is not a hallmark for women power as they would like people to believe. The other problem is that if the only power a women has is sexual and she had to place herself on a site run my I believe men, so that other ..men can ogle here and discuss her hotness. Despite them being “real girls” of all body types it is the same old same old.
I’m a photographer, I’ve taken nude photographs of both women and men and I’ve had nude photographs taken of myself even taken them of myself over the years. It is not the same thing as this at all there is no comparison and those girls are doing no justice to their natural beauty or real beauty by allowing themselves to be used in that way. They are not being used any differently than a made up, fully implanted, Playboy bunny is, they just think they are and the guys too are deceiving themselves. Which is not unusual.
I just think there is something that is being missed here.
Wombat: Minus ten points for encouraging inde to go back.
G: Who knew you were doing calculations. There is no pretense in what I wrote as I wasn’t addressing that issue, you all can’t seem to understand that. It has nothing to do with me or my sense of power or m ideals. Well maybe a little but it has to do more with what is the truth of the situation than anything else.
We all have our lines G.
Pia: I don’t care one way or another about the sex lives of politicians. I care about the fact that Clinton had the very poor character to let a nineteen year old – someone way down the power chain – give him a blow-job. If Margaret Thatcher had given him a blow job it would not have bothered me in the least. It is the bad character shown by the misuse of his power in this situation which bothers me and by default her willingness to stay with someone who in my opinion has a serious character flaw, to overlook such a character flaw on the quest for power herself.
sushi for breakfast is the best.
Not jumping on the bandwagon. I was going to have to say something about that nonetheless.
Judging by what I’ve seen of even the photographs themselves, they’re more about the art and beauty than titillation. Not all of them are even nudes. Some just show the face. And the rest of the site breaks the standard that the models are bodies without personalities.
Is it a bright, golden standard? Hardly. But I’d hardly condemn it as it is a step in the right direction. It may not be 100% woman owned and operated, but it’s not male-dominated either.
I know plenty of hetero women who look at pictures of women. I would hardly consider them the butt of a joke.
And the interviews are actually interesting. They get people like Al Franken, David Mamet…
And no I do not jerk off to an interview of David Mamet. Were that the case I would be deserving of the minus ten and more I think.
I have a problem with religion being discussed in politics because to even bring it up gives standing to the likes of Robertson and Falwell. And furthermore, it perpetuates the status of atheists as the least trusted minority group in America. 52% of the country has said that they wouldn’t consider a non religious presidential candidate who they deemed otherwise qualified for the job. It’s fucked up, and deference to religion on the political front only keeps it going
Kait to the rescue.
I think your right on.
There is no breaking the mold and men making that call is precious naivety of thought. It’s that naivety I find so interesting.
Let them delude themselves, it’s all in a days work and there is nothing you can do about it except stick to your guns.
PS
The Clinton’s make me want to vomit up last nights dinner. I try to avoid politics if I can.
Unless you personally attack me, I won’t be offended. Even then, I’m pretty cool under pressure.
I actually find this to be an interesting discussion. I hear you about feeling like women are being objectified and men having creepy power issues over porn. I should probably have done a better job of acknowledging that those are very real and likely dominant issues. However, I think it’s an over simplification to say that all porn is disempowered women and misogynistic men. I used to feel as you do about porn, but I have grown much more comfortable with expressing myself as a sexual being and now I see porn differently. I know there are those in the porn industry that prey on young women that are feeling disenfranchised, but saying the whole industry is that way is as generalizing as saying all of MySpace is pedophiles and victims.
I don’t think women have their power based solely in sex, although it is one arena of power that flows for both men and women. In every sexual situation there is dominance and submission. I think some women have become uncomfortable with the submissive side because we have lived in a rape culture for so long and they don’t feel safe in a submissive role. Similarly, men generally do not feel comfortable being submissive either (in fact it’s what drives the fear of being gay). I think it’s sad that men and women are missing out on the ability to play both sides of the power coin. It feels good to be in a position of power, and it feels good to have someone in power over you. It all comes down to trust and respect.
Glad to see you are still judging all men by one standard. Yours.
First it’s fraternity boy who happen to hire strippers, and are somehow misogynists. Now it’s men who view a site full of normal looking women, women who have made the decision to be on a site you just happen to disapprove of.
Drives you crazy when the power is not in your hands. That’s it isn’t it? So women need all the power?
Women have all the power in case you didn’t know it.
I should have figured it out long ago when reading your opinions on Duke. I just took you for a man-hater. Now I see you are just another power hungry female, if the power is not in the women’s hands it is wrong. Plain and simple. Case closed.
You like men if they meet your standards. I am going to guess that men very seldom do.
Do you really like men who “play stringed instruments” cooper, or do you only like men who play the stringed instrument you tell them to play the way you tell them to play it?
You didn’t really think I disappeared did you? I have to guard the door of what is real.
EW: I know you’re no bandwagon jumper but the point is not the women who look at women who are the butt of the joke, it is the women who have the allusion putting themselves on a site like that gives them power, it doesn’t — not at all. It was totally male dominated at one time and may still be although I think as someone mentioned earlier they did some changing around most of which I think was fake anyway to keep of the pretense.
I’m glad you don’t jerk off to David Mamet and I know you know this is coming, I bet you masticate though. Sorry but that mastication IM will stick with me forever I fear.
I know you have a much bigger problem with religion than I do in that regard. I think it unrealistic at this point in time though to think it will not be in some way involved in this election so it has to be worked in until it can be worked.….…out.
Kaitlyn: call me girlfriend.
High five on the Clinton’s.
Justin: I don’t personally attack people, often people can’t separate themselves from what they believe though and that is necessary here.
I don’t think I can ever agree that porn can empower women I see it solely as victimization and I am perfectly comfortable expressing myself sexually in the right place at the right time. I am not judging others practice or what they do sexually but pornography by it’s definition is degrading. I don’t see how porn in any way can help one express themselves as a sexual being. I get a total disconnect from someone who actually gets off by watching or viewing pron or fantasizing some weird porn scenario where he is either dominated or dominating. Either way it is just too degrading to me on both ends.
What you say about both parts of the power coin is interesting but it can be played out in real life, between real people. The site Suicide Girls is a fraud either way in my mind.
randy: If not my standards whose?
I don’t care what they play as long as when they are playing me they aren’t playing anyone else and as long as they are willing to take lessons.
I refuse to try Nebraska sushi, or really any seafood here. I prefer to wait until I am near a coast.
I don’t buy the line that
“Suicide Girls is the “Alternative Rebuttal to Mainstream Pornography” — I think it has become mainstream porn, the acceptable porn if there is such a thing.
I don’t agree with you either. I am too tired to get into it with you because your rebuttals would continue on into infinity. I think it would be fun in person and I picture you out at some city bar doing something like this all night long. I bet you are an exhausting adversary.
From that first note in your very old blog, where you corrected someone for spelling masterbation with an E instead of a U, I knew you were trouble.
It’s not always about power take my word for it.
I do think in the context of what the site is the girls are probably kidding themselves. I think most of them are deliberately kidding themselves. They have that right and some of them are perfectly aware of what they are doing and are fine with it so I don’t see a problem.
I don’t feel I’m kidding myself when I go there, I read the articles and sure I enjoy looking at women I don’t feel some great power over the women and don’t get some kind of power surge while looking at them. I don’t think you have the right to make a judgment like that about most men and I don’t think you intended to.
Either way I won’t expect to see the “no wicked witch” there anytime soon, though I bet she would be popular.
Hilary is riding the money train, or was. That is questionable now.
Never denied anything about my habits. But Mamet is strictly brain food.
I won’t deny that there isn’t a lot of victimization in porn. It’s there and it’s sickening.
And I don’t really buy it as empowering. But just because something isn’t empowering doesn’t mean it’s victimization. SG almost completely consists of women who do this on the side for fun and a little extra cash. And it’s tasteful.
Maybe I’ve missed something
It was never male dominated. It was co-founded by a man and a woman, and the ownership as it stands right now is 50 – 50 gender-wise.
And I don’t expect the religion thing to end with this election. I am expecting a step in the right direction, as it’s fucked our last two elections.
oh wow. yeah that’s totally a 3 AM comment. Could we pretend I didn’t word it so awkwardly?
I think you’re right, it’s matter of public record or used to be if you dig deep enough, that Sean Suhl was ( not sure if he still is) full owner, i.e. pimp, at suicide girls, despite his supposed co-founder.
They try to play it as “hipster porn” which is empowering to all um..hipsters.
On the other hand I don’t mind looking at a few naked women once in awhile or getting turned on by them. The things written there do not hold my interest, I find it incredibly boring but you are not going to convince me that I am damaged or less respectful to women because I read or have read that site.
Beside that they removed some of their “pornier” stuff when they were investigated by the Justice Department.
We all need a little sexual healing.
LOL… every time I show up there is a different template… never know what I am going to get.
My ex– always said that about his “playboy magazines”… I never beleived him… better him jacking off to them instead of wanting some from me…
LOL!
I have yet to decide who I want to endorse… LOL! I am not very happy with any that are running…
Jake: That is not exactly what I did all night long but it was close. I have always hated when people misspell masturbation.
We will have to agree to disagree on the power issue but ya don’t look for the not so wicked witch there anytime soon casey jake.
EW: I don’t find some of the stuff particularly tasteful but then again I find the whole side a bit seedy now and tend to find places where women are placing pictures in a forum where guys surely come to get a thrill kind of icky.
One must step slowly and deliberately in that direction, it’s going to take some time. Three in the morning? That’s early for you wombat.
robotman: It is a matter of public record I think but I am not of the mode to investigate it any further at this time.
“Hipster porn” makes people who think they are “hipsters” feel justified.
Your are giving me a creepy feeling now.
Shayna: Oh baby cakes how are you.
Yeah I am having an identity crisis, it happens.
You see it is creepy.
Suicide Girls? Amazing that they can make a porn site sound unwholesome.
You, always sneaking in at the bottom where you don’t have to disagree with me.
Some how I think the title is supposed to make it “more cool”.
Hillary sucks, Barack lacks seasoning, and Edwards ain’t pretty enough. Plus, he’s a hold over from the Kerry expedition that could not get that putz out of office.
Which leaves Richardson. Experience, little political or personal garbage, and a good personality.
I don’t care if people look at SG for either articles or pictures. Power to the femmes who strip and show off their body parts. I find that too much porn dulls the senses after about 5 minutes. But that’s me. And I am a guy. Who is too cheap to pay for what can be found all over the Internet. I do read some of the articles there, especially the ones written by BitchPhd — although I know she just likes to rant and… bitch.
One more thing — I want to thank you from the bottom of my kitty litter box for that visual of Ironass Thatcher giving Bill Clinton a blow job. Well played, thank you very much and I will now have to cut my eyes out.
sauerkraut: You are more than welcome for the visual. I do understand the need to cut your eyes out though.