I will be posting about Duke so you can stop when you get to that if you wish.
You have all humored me so in this.
I wrote a few poems this weekend, I wasn’t in my right mind so upon review it has been decided, by the committee members who decide these things, they will not be posted. 
I’m here, briefly, to give shout outs because I have not written since Thursday.
First Doug is having a discussion on Prattle about Darfur. Bless his heart and his dog ears and go check it out.
Remember Darfur: An Unforgivable Hell on Earth — links from that blog are reciprocated; you don’t even have to be flaming liberal, respect-er of women, gay supporting, left leaning, Birkenstock wearing, Colbert loving, would be flower child from a blue state.
Mizzy B has an old friend, MaMa E,who has just started a blog so go check her out.
Patrick reminded me it was “no pants day” on Friday and I MISSED IT.…again.
This is not unexpected.
My friend from Cornell sent the link to me and not I fear without some intent of malice, or maybe it was just to be funny. The lacrosse team at his school is after all doing fairly well this year and I’m sure they are happy not to have to consider Duke as an adversary in any future NCAA games. Word on the street is that Duke would have probably taken it all. I guess all that misplaced testosterone, misogyny, racism, and thinking that rules don’t apply to you is helpful in winning National titles.
These friends/supporters just do not get it. I’m not saying I blame them, maybe my friends/supporters would do the same thing, but I like to think my parents raised us to be at least a little more respectful of humanity as a whole than these guys appear to be, despite the fact that they sent my brother to one of those private schools out of which so many misogynistic, spoilt boy/men come.
I of course fought for my right to go to public school and won; a fact which has nothing to do with the post, but it was a hard fight and I like to reminisce.… periodically.
The media has done a number on the players as well as the alleged victim, but as I stated that Baltimore Sun op-ed said it best.
In the end if you hang with pigs then you belong in the pig pen, and don’t be surprised when the mud gets on you. These are not upstanding role models, they are obviously not of the high character parents think they are. The coach, quite frankly, deserved to be fired; it is too bad the school did not do the right thing and fire him a lot earlier instead of waiting until the antics of the team were made public causing Duke great humiliation.
(that, after all, is why he was fired and why the kid who sent that email was expelled. Duke was humiliated.)
Should they have expelled the kid who sent that email even though it was not his own words but a quote from a popular cult movie? Here I disagree with most. After giving it some thought I say no probably not. Should they have expelled the accused? I think yes as it is protocol that they expel people accused of crimes I think.
Parents who always defend their children, more from not wanting to be embarrassed more than anything else, do them no favor. They should slap them on their hind ends (of course my parents never laid a hand on me my whole life nor would they but still )and tell them “how disappointed they are in their behavior”, that “they reap what they sow” and “they will just have to live with the consequences of their choices, their actions and their associations”. The might also want to consider sending them out of the country to work in the factory where they make the newly invented and elite a Lacoste polo shirts they are so fond of wearing. Yeah, Morocco/Peru or even …ye gads.…China.
Sure they’re mad but life is tough you have to learn from your mistakes. Obviously if you have to party like its 1999 and hire strippers while at the same time asking for a “black stripper” (corrected due to comment they didn’t ask for a black stripper my information came from Nancy Grace — that will teach me and the nyt), and if you are fond of hurling racial epitaphs at them as they leave, or if you hang with people who do, then you are not of good character and not beyond reproach. At the very least you should learn how to hold your alcohol better and maybe use better judgment next time.
I don’t know if they raped that women but my bet at this point despite all the media hype is fifty– fifty. Possibly due to this entire media madness on the coverage justice will never be served one way or the other.
The “good old college boy fun” defense gets old though.
I will now put my registration back on; I can’t delete comments all day and don’t want sicko trolls here. You don’t have to agree with me to post though; that is not the intent. That and the spam is now getting horrific and the registration prevented that.
May 08, 2006
Men, Women Differ in Views of Duke Lacrosse Case
Public more inclined to believe charges are true
by Joseph Carroll GALLUP NEWS SERVICE
You write poetry?
If you read that site the comments alone make me feel like they are
plannng a revolution.
Nice that they are giving such support but pretty funny they
are calling it as if it is a crime against humanity. It made me laugh
to read.
“First, it has been proposed that a group of us talks with Brodhead and brings up the human aspects of this tragedy (at least, from our point of view).”
These people do not know what tradgedy means
whether the allegations are true or not . I’m with you.
Let them take their knocks.
Brilliantly put Lady C… but when is it not? I often feel too quiet when you write about Duke and Darfur but what am I to say when I wholeheartedly agree?
I should tape myself reading you and send it on over…
Nodding head, furrowed brow (good furrowed brow), deep in thought and hey, I will throw in some uh-huhs to make it action packed… because I agree and you always put it brilliantly, and thank god there are strong women that are young and not afraid to use their voice…
So, uh-huh indeed, I agree and you go chica!
And thank you much for the mention! Meant a lot to this lefty, liberal, bohemian who soooo fits that description up on top it made me laugh!
Que tengas un buen dia! Besos,
Mizzy B
First, thanks for the mention.
You raise the point that always gets lost in these “dialogues”: The poor character is evident even if the evidence of rape is uncertain. I was a stupid college boy once with raging hormones and too much access to liquor. Actually, all that’s changed is I’m not in college. Even in that setting, there are some things a decent person won’t do. Ordering a stripper by race and insulting her by race is one fine example.
I wish you many poems and a poetic life. I liked it when you wrote poems.
I don’t know if it is fifty fifty but I do think your assessment is pretty accurate. We may never know the whole truth.
Duke definitely was embarrassed and that is why they suspended the one kid and quickly fired the coach. You are right if Duke had been without dirty hands they would have fired the coach earlier for allowing his team to act like the cretins they obviously were. They didn’t though, because it was a championship team. They waited until something happened and then used the coach as a scapegoat.
Now the world is up in arms saying that all college boys act like this and these are really decent boys. If these are decent boys and all college students act like this then we are in big trouble as a nation. I beg to differ as you have often done when referring to Duke and the fiasco.
Enjoy some rest and time off.
I agree with the mis b.
I often read you and shake my head and
wonder how you come to these conclusions at an age when most
people are worrying more about boyfriends , clothing and passing
tests.
I agree with your ascertians about this case and the players and I
that in the past you have disassociated yourself from the “typical
college student” and let us know that not all college students
like that.
I like you poetry too and stories about your “daddy and fake
older drunk boyfriends” too. I did get some time to read some of
I thank you again for the Darfur postings and site and I don’t
mind the registration and signing in;it’s just that
at my age remembering passwords gets difficult.
your older posts.
Have fun, write poetry and stay warm. It’s cold here today so I imagine
NY is chilly.
Neither intent of malice or just for fun but more for thought. It evidently provoked some of that.
Your analysis is good. Maybe you should just bag it all and start
writing op-ed to supplement your “boarding” habits allowing you to
live in a semi bum like state for a couple of years.
Where is the poetry?
Not to sound like a broken record, but I agree with Mizzy Bohem and averagebusinessman.
I usually just go yep, uh huh, etc while being amazed with you passion.
That site is really pathetic. They urge, “Above all, your posts should reflect love and respect for the Duke University”
I read some of the things they posted, among them that statically speaking,
a gang of white guys would never rape a black female. I think the
site goes a lot further to disgrace the team and enhance the entire
aura of racism and sexism surrounding this case than it does to vindicate
anyone on the LAX team.
Can you please site your source that these players asked for “black strippers” from the escort service? I have followed the case very closely and have not seen that statement printed. If it is true, these actions speak volumes on the character and integrity (or lack there of) of some of the team members, however, if it is not true and is purely speculation, it speaks volumes about yours as well.
laugh. They haven’t got a clue as to real tragedy.
mizzy b: I keep you because since my grandmother died no one calls me brilliant any more.
muchos muchos besos
Dawg: That was quite interesting and I will follow it closely as it seems cynicism is perfect for the situation and for the help and solutions we are trying to find way too late.
joe g: I’m enjoying.
Bizman: I was cold.
Robotman: I know I just like the term intent of malice.
Cowgirl: I will be sure to write something that everyone disagrees with one day.
Jeremy: Yea, after reading it I just threw up my hands, figuratively, and realized that these people are like so many parents I have known over the years through my friends and …through my family. I almost laugh at what they consider to be a travesty. It’s the attitude that to me is the travesty.
I was once a college boy having tons of fun and I don’t recall that ever involving rape. I agree the boys will be boys excuse is old, very old.
Coop… writes poetry? I knew you had it in you… and you should post!
To be honest I have really not heard as much on the Duke rape case here lately
I fear that it may be swept under the carpet…
And… I missed “No Pants Day”… damn-it!
sman79:
My notes say it was the NY times that reported that Matt Zash, the captain of the lacrosse team contacted an escort service and requested the black strippers. This was back early April or late March but it is in archives
( times select now). If I felt like paying for the times select I’d get the article again but possibly I can get it tomorrow when I borrow a password.
There were various references to it on many news shows from Fox to CNN to MSNBC.
The various reporters that called the various escort services were also told that they never send black strippers unless they are requested.
There were also other alleged reports that they originally called and pretended to be the baseball team when they ordered the strippers and also now, as of May 1st almost two months later, the defense has come out and said they didn’t order blacks trippers they ordered white strippers. This is also uncorroborated and has given to people speculating that they were mad the strippers were black.
We also know that the neighbor whose name is stated on the web and he has quoted many times the racial slur that was hurled at her as she left.
If you have not read this blog before then read it before posting. I have stated fromthe beginning it is all alleged until proven otherwise but it does not prevent me from having an opinion. Face it there are some things in this case tht are facts and one of them is that these were not upstanding role models.
Chris: What these guys had to do for fun routinely is pretty pathetic. It is alleged rape though and I have never said they raped her. I am just amazed at how pathetic this team is and how the school let them be that way for years., how men view strippers and blahblah blah. Obviously beinf out of school has exhasuted me so I will stop here. It is the case with a lot of schools though . Hopkins has a pretty gross– mad ass lacrosse team as well at least they did a year ago.
Shayna: ha ha, no not real poetry darling. We’ll have our own no pants day.
I’m with Miz B so far as Duke goes.
I do hope you’ll tell me when you hold this observation of no pants day.
Wombat: Yes of course if I will; If you promise to go pantless.
Word
Cooper,
I did read through the blog and I understand you are not presuming the accused guilty. However, I asked for your source because as I stated before, I have followed this case very closely and have never heard any evidence that the players asked for a black stripper. I also watch Abrams report, Larry King, etc. etc. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but, to state something as fact when its not is wrong. You stated:
“Obviously if you have to party like its 1999 and hire strippers while at the same time asking for a “black stripper”, and if you are fond of hurling racial epitaphs at them as they leave, or if you hang with people who do, then you are not of good character and not beyond reproach.”
It just seems to me that if they asked for a black stripper, it would have blown up in the media as premeditation, not neccesarily for rape, but atleast to harass a black stripper (To my knowledge those racial epitaphs have not been denied by anyone). Whether they asked for a black or white stripper does not make their actions excusable. But if it was premeditated I think it makes them a lot worse. So please site your source and prove me wrong, and your statement
“The various reporters that called the various escort services were also told that they never send black strippers unless they are requested.”
What are they going to say after something like this has taken place? Does not prove anything.
Again if this is true they asked for black strippers will make me reevaluate what I think of these guys. Not that it was too high in the first place. I dont think anyone can defend their actions of racism and harrasment, it has no place in our society.
sman: Now this is bothering me, not because I don’t think they are racist , elitist, piglike lacrosse players because I do, but that is only an opinion and not a very significant one and has nothing to do with the case, but because I do have notes and I do have nty written by the first note I have on this from a the only other post in which I stated they hired black strippers.
http://wonderlandornot.net/2006/04/26/under-some-dirty-words-on-a-dirty-wall-eating-take-out-by-myself/
">here .
So I have written it twice.
I have now paid for, a times select subscription, in order that I could review the archives from the NYT. I did NOT as of yet find any earlier credible proof citing they requested black strippers. Believe me I will look more thoroughly over the next few days I can’t read them all right now.
I did find a lot of reference over the web to it though from
Justice for Two sisters , Talk Left, A CNN transcript from Nancy Grace (which I don’t watch btw as I think the histrionics and obvious rating driven drama is over the top) where it was also referred to by one of the psychiatrists but
as alleged.
Another quote from Useless Knowledge
Quite a few more but as you stated they are not citable, corroborated truths.
Also I just found a mention that the fact they hired black strippers was in the new york times, exactly as I had in my notes, by a commenter at
This site.
http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2006/04/14/the-black-helen-of-troy/
So now I feel at least I’m not totally crazy of course if I can’t find it after I look through all the times select stuff I will admit it but it really does not change my opinon. I see you point though.
So obviously it was out there and it came from somewhere but evidently as you are pointing out nowhere credible.
I am going to go through all those nyt articles though when I have a chance.
don’t let some random annoymous bait you cooper. you’re better than that.
It’s one thing to “fight for [your] right” to go to a pretty good public school in a pretty good neighborhood. It’s quite another sort of “right” elsewhere. Fighting for it would be more of a masochistic statement, or perhaps an absurdist stand for ignorance. I fought for my right to get a ticket out, e. g. a scholarship to a local private school (no lax team there, though).
weirsdo:I was making a joke with the ” fighting to go to a public school thing”.
It seems as though when one mixes serious stuff with stuff that is not so much people don’t get it. That has always been the problem at my blog, most people can’t tell which is which.
john: he was right actually I really didn’t see it as baiting.
johnm: I wasnt baiting. I was merely correcting a statement that was misconstrued as fact. Obviously something was printed in the NYT that people took as fact, or possibly was stated as fact and later retracted. I dont agree with everything Cooper said in regards to the case, however, everyone is entitled to their opinion.